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Reaction: Supernatural 4.15
(May contain profanity.)
Spoiler and Theorizing Timeline
Lot of spoilers accumulated, not sure which episode they apply to yet. We'll see.
-Feb 5th Title of 4.15 Death takes a Holiday. Hm. Reapers go on strike? Or a skeleton in a Speedo surfing in California somewhere. *ponders*
-Mar 5th 4.15 is written by Sera Gamble. Ooooo. Eeek. And directed by Steve Boyum. (PUT THE FRIGGING SPOTLIGHTS BACK ON THE IMPALA, STEVE!!!! Sorry. Obsessed. *takes inventory of all the Impala's parts in case any others go missing...*) Anyway, that's an impressive team-up. We could be getting some high quality brain-screwage in this ep. *nods*
-Mar 10th Noted somewhere. Episode may contain stunt-casting. As long as it's done well, I don't mind. When the guest character takes over because they're being played by "someone", it kind of burns my buttons. But we'll see.
-General feel in the air of twitchiness in the fandom over developments relating to this episode. Pre-emptively activating the Zen of Kripke. Kripke has a plan.
Bring it!
Reaction to Supernatural 4.15 - "Death Takes a Holiday"
OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG!!! *FLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIL!!!!* For specific reasons to be covered below.
-Watched the previouslies on the first run through. Hi Pam! [Aw.] Hi Alastair! Hi Lilith! "We're good." Still calling bullshit on that one there, Dean. *pats*
-Interesting that the image juxtaposed with Sam's line about being smarter that Dean is one of him frolicking with the doctor up against her office window. *snerk*
-Guy who got shot not dying. Yep, like I thought in the spoiler timeline, the Reapers are on strike.
-"Could we get past this?" A hundred times. Ow. So. It's been about a week? Two? [Couple days? A few minutes in the car while traveling at lightspeed?]
-Religious bloggers? HA! That's a new one! Awesome name, too; flooredbythelord.com, which doesn't exist yet, but has been parked by godaddy.com if anyone's looking to start a fansite. :-D
-Even though all these people are gonna die when the Reapers get back from hiatus, it's really kind of cool that they're getting a last few days to re-connect with their families and stuff. They'll still die, but they've had a chance to spend time they wouldn't have otherwise had, and with a newfound appreciation for them. Still sucks for the families though.
-"Angels watching over me." Heh. Yeah. The connotations of that phrase has changed so much for Dean in particular since he was four.
-"Schlep souls." I believe the technical term for that job description is "psychopomp", Sam. FYI.
-Huggie Bear? What? *is confused*
-Dean doing research! \o/
-Skeevy faith healers! Yay, Faith callback (like the Reaper thing wasn't already, but whatever)
-HEEEE!!! Dean said the Reapers are on strike!!! Yay! I think like Dean does! ... wait, maybe that's not a good thing.
-JOURNAL!!! IT'S THE JOURNAL!!! HI JOURNAL!!!!
-POSTER BOYS OF THE UNNATURAL ORDER. I want a frigging t-shirt. Icon. Something. Coffee mug. I want it. *nods* Oh hey, wait.
Not great but it's a start. *nods* I love the phrase. The more I read it, the more "The Unnatural Order" sounds like a branch of some religious order. Like the Vatican's Investigative branch or something. :-)
-"Normal rules don't really apply to us." Heh. Ooo.... Sam's gone a very long way toward accepting some kind of fate thing there... and that's disturbing me. *eyes Sam*
-*giggles at Dean flailing around trying to come up for an explanation of their graveyard activities*
-Ooo! Alastair!! *waves* OOOO! Dean's face of extreme glowering at Alastair!!! Oooo!
-Heh. The tombstone Dean hits is for Smyth, but the way he lands, it looks like the grave of 'MYTH'. I'm finding that terribly amusing. There may be meta there. Also, what is it with Dean and getting thrown into tombstones? If this keeps up, and I may have said this before, the boys should stick to doing any messing around in graveyards they need to do in cemeteries with tombstones made of Nerf. *nods*
-Hee! Sam apparently learned Mountain Stance over the hiatus. That probably makes no sense to anyone but me, but I find it amusing.
-Sola-flexing? Is that what they're calling it these days? *pleasenotboinkingRuby*
-WAH! O.O SAMMY! Holy crap! that's some sudden improvement there. He's been practicing... something... *pleasepleasenotboinkingRuby*
-Hee. Ice pack and aspirin for a possible concussion. But no beer. That's for skull fractures. Go Winchester medical plan! \o/
-"I got no idea." Sam. Dude. You suck at lying. You need to start listening to![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
kroki_refur about these things. *nods*
-YES! Thank you Dean!!! In addition to being Dean calling Sam on the lie and Dean defending his own intelligence (which, have we ever really had that before???) it's almost implicit that Dean's more concerned about the lying than what the lying's covering up. Like if Sam would just open up and talk to Dean about what's going on, they would, after a whole lot of epic shouting no doubt, figure out a way to deal with whatever's going on. It hurts to see that rift of deception happening, but... from a story and character-arc standpoint, I'm finding it fascinating.
-BOBBY! *smish* [OR NOT BOBBY! *smish*]
-Ooo, kidnapping Reapers. Do they have what's-her-face-from-Faith's "Ye Olde Book of Reaper-binding" in play? By my calculations, the boys either turned it over to Bobby or it's still rattling around in the Impala somewhere. *is glared at by a neglected Season 2 premiere AU bunny*
-"Bloodied death under a newborn sky" On the solstice??? So December 21st in 2008. Wait, what day is it? Where's the timeline got us to... last estimation was that "Sex and Violence" was January or February I think. Yay for the Supernatural timeline being a mobius strip again!!! \o/ [Okay, so last concrete time note we had was Great Pumpkin, being Halloween up to November 1st. Call Wishful Thinking the first week of November, I Know What You Did Last Summer and Heaven and Hell the next week-ish, Family Remains was around a month after Heaven and Hell, putting it about... Hm. Call it the Dec 6th weekend, with the family moving? Then, I guess Iowa Magic Week would be from the 7th through to the 13th, After School Special would clock in around... hm. The 15th? And so Sex and Violence lands somewhere in the 16th to 18th area, leaving Sam and Dean a day to bitch at each other about what was said under the influence of the siren, get the case and go to um, wherever the place was, need to catch the location card again, interview people, go out to try to summon a ghost, meet up with Alastair, get Pam, do the astral thing and get it all sorted out before the Solstice moon... Oh hey, maybe the Solstice moon is the first full moon after the solstice? Which would have beeeeeen.... the 10th or 11th of January, and giving them an extra couple of weeks to drive around, get places, call Bobby, grumble at each other and bypass every single holiday decoration that should have been visible. Or there's been a huge gap, and it's the summer solstice, and it's actually June. Yeah. And still freezing in graveyards at night. Except the 'newborn sky' would be the one in mid-winter at the traditional start of the year, not the one at the height of summer, so.... Sigh. *handwaves*]
-"We become ghosts." *pinches Dean's goony 'I-can't-quite-believe-I'm-suggesting-this' face cheeks* He's adorable when he's suggesting insane plans isn't he. He should do it more often.
-PAM!! Hi Pam! I was ambivalent about you for a bit but your continued awesomeness is making me forget all about any problems I had with you. Oh and *smacks Sam*. (And also very slightly *smacks writers* for going with the 'chippy blind person' thing again and making Sam look like an insensitive ass. Although he's changed a lot in 4 months alone with a demon, so he might be a total dick now.)
-ASTRAL PROJECTION!!!! \o/ Oooo! I want to dig out RPG manuals and cross-reference now! It's a fun plot device that isn't used nearly enough in shows I watch.
-"Tasseled leather pants and Ramones CD's" .... I don't even want to know.
-Hee. Didn't notice the lighting suddenly blue-shifting, did you Dean?
-Aw, what? No fun stuff playing with silver threads that connect you back to your body and can be severed so the mind-flayers can get you? Shucks. Although story-wise, since their return depends on Pam whispering in their ears... this doesn't bode well for Pam's chances of surviving the episode.
-Speaking of whispering, HA! Pam's a Sam girl! *grins*
-Hee! Love Dean being geeky and playing with ghost capabilities. It's a really brothery moment, in a weird sort of way.
-Hey... Benny's Market Italian Foods, in the background. I think I've been in that neighborhood, ages ago. I think one of my sisters used to live near there. They have a website!
-I like the kid (whose name I didn't catch dammit) playing Cole. He's really doing well. Aw. Cole's mom. Cole's really advanced in the ghost skills department for being new at this.
-The massive barrage of pop culture references is starting to make me a little nauseous. [What's with the giant pile of pop culture references anyway? The boys aren't talking meaningfully, so they communicate through pop culture references instead? Like those aliens on ST:TNG? "Darmok, and Jelaad, at Tenagra." Also, apparently, communication via pop culture references is contagious. *nods*]
-HEY!!! OOOO!!! Hi Tessa! Nice continuity! Also, yay, she survived the YED invasion. And of course Dean doesn't remember.
-Oh cool! Memory transfer. Oooooo! That's an interesting development... What happened during that time that might be arc-advancing for Dean to remember it now? *ponders*
-I love that the Reapers are neutrals. It's so appropriate.
-"So, you were the Reaper that was after Dean." Sammy; Boy-King of the Freaking Obvious.
-"Angel - Demon Dance-Off" Yoohoo,teithiwr? I do believe that's a crack-fic prompt calling for your expertise? ;-D
-Aw. Cole had an IMac. Aw.
-Sam. Lying again. "Whatever it takes." So, not the truth then. Oh Sam. He does look like it hurts to lie to the kid though.
- ...what? He missed her? Ohhh... He missed his chance at having a normal easy death. Yeah. I have this feeling that that was never in the cards for Dean. And maybe that if he'd given in to Tessa right away (which he never would have) something else would have happened to stop it. I know there are fans that don't like the concept of fate and think it negates free will, but I think differently and I don't know if I could explain it if I tried. Suffice it to say, I've been waiting for the "job to do/not finished yet" statement from Roy LeGrange to pay out ever since Faith aired, and it's paying out in ways I truly never expected. And I don't think I could be more thrilled with the possibilities.
-"I've done things, horrible things ['Hunted' callback or just similar phrasing?] and someone upstairs still decided to give me a second chance. Makes me feel.... I dunno." Oh Dean.
-Oh crap, massive demon cloud blitz! Damn that was cool!
-Heeeee! Cole giving them ghost lessons. He's a bit of a prodigy though, either that or ghost skills have a really freaky learning curve.
-HEE! Fight Club! Sam and Dean getting belted by a kid will never not be funny.
-New Jack City??? What's that? *googles, finds movie* ...hm. Nope. Still don't get it. *shrugs* Anyway, the glowing blue stuff is wards, dumbasses. Either to keep something subdued and inside the place, (like the, ooo, two epic-level supernatural creatures they've kidnapped?) or to keep other epic-level things from coming in and rescuing them. Or maybe some kind of scry barrier versus other Reapers, or angels? Hmf. Sam and Dean need to play some RPGs. In Nomine might hit a bit close to home though.
-Heheh. I would laugh so hard and soooo inappropriately if this guy they're beating up is just some poor schlub out coffin-shopping. I mean, hey, it's a funeral parlor, right? The guy's alive and human and so wouldn't see the Reapers on the floor or the glowing blue stuff. Maybe he just walked in off the street to find something tasteful in mahogany.
-Dean doing the ghost blip thing is so freaking cool. Once they're done dealing with this seal thing, they need to do more astral projecting so they get to play with the ghosty abilities more.
-Yay! It's a trap! Ooooo. Iron chains. Ouchie. Poor demon. Man, it sucks to be Alistair's minion. Speaking of which, hi Alastair! *waves*
-Oh, hey, the two Reapers on the floor make a kind of vague visual parallel to the two demons in Sin City. Sort of.
-SALT GUN!!! Oh yay! *glee* Okay, I'm massively geeking out on the inner workings of ghost tech. Also at Sam and Dean getting to see their job and tools from the other side of things. Also noting that astral projection in the SPN universe directly equates to being a ghost. Interesting....
-Also interesting that Alastair misses Hell and would rather be downstairs. Not a common demon attitude, is it?
-The new guy playing Alistair just had to emulate the last guy's voice. *facepalm*
-'Can't kill us.' 'Oh yeah?' OH HO HO YEAH!! He's going after their bodies!!! Logic! Tactics!!!! *flails*
-Okay. So, wait. They left their defenseless, empty bodies in a room (which is in a town with demons in it tearing around in smoke form) alone, guarded only by a recently blinded woman, remembered to close the drapes and didn't lock the door and set any salt lines or wards or anything???? Dudes. Massive fail. Seriously. What the hell were you thinking? *facepalm*
-He got it from a friend who doesn't really ride a pale horse. OMG, THE HORSEMEN!! *FLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIL* OH YES, OH PLEASE OH EEEEEEEEE!!!!! *flails more* Oh! Oh! *glee!* Oh yay! I missed about a minute of dialog, but I don't care because HORSEMEN!!!!! \o/ *flails and flails and flails* [I'm so frigging thrilled by even the chance they're bringing in the Four Horsemen that... I can't even describe the maneuver. After the second watch, I got up, kind of stood there for a second and then did this kind of flailing, rotating bunny-hop thing. With some silent squeeing in deference to it being close to 11pm and my neighbour's bedroom being opposite my living room wall. I could squee for years on the potential of that alone! *flails more*] ETA: Reference link - Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. *glee*
-The guy playing Alastair sounds a lot better in Latin or whatever that is. *nods*
-Sam and Dean mutual concentration on doing ghosty things together! \o/
-Yech, that shower is disgusting.
-Yay Pam! Defending the completely defenseless Sam and Dean! With mid-combat speed-latinating! Yay Pam! You are so very, very dead. *smishes sadly*
-No blood on the knife. Nice touch.
-Demon squishing! Oh, yeah. Sam's definitely been eating some kind of demonic Wheaties. ....aaaaand I've just really grossed myself out. :-P *pleasenotboinkingRubypleasenotboinkingRubypleasenotboinkingRuby*
-Alastair talking to Dean alone... This could be interesting. He's not pushing the Brando so much here either, which is good, especially if we're about to get a large wodge of exposition from him.
-O.O SMITE!!! YEAAAAH!!! SMITE THE BASTARD!! Sparing you the entire page of scrawled glee for that maneuver. Holy crap that was cool! HI CASTIEL!!! *smishes like whoa*
-Ooo... so the angels have thephone box head torturer of Hell. Hmm... That lends itself to intriguing possibilities.
-Yep. The glowing stuff was angel-proofing. *nods*
-Aw. Castiel was imitating Bobby because the boys don't argue with Bobby. Awwwwwwwwwwwwww. *flails a little and smishes everyone involved*
-Oooo... "You're different." Ooo. Hm. This could be awesome, or not awesome. Have to see how it plays out. I'm thinking awesome. In any case, *gleeeeeeeeee*
-Aw. Dean talking to Cole about death. Aw. Worse than any unknown afterlife for Dean? Is the idea of still being around when your family's gone. Oh Deeeeeeean.
-Oh wow. Reapers are like portals??? They hug you into the afterlife? Whoa. That's... kinda nifty.
-Lies and humans lying to themselves to subdue their fears. Naw, that's not applicable to Sam and Dean's current impasse at all.
-"Stop lying to yourself/Something nasty down the road." Well, yeah. Stopping the apocalypse isn't going to be sunshine and puppies. It's going to be hard, and bloody, and painful on many, many levels. Doesn't mean that it'll stay that way, and doesn't mean that there's no hope. There's always hope, even though every time these guys turn around, something's trying to crush any hope they might have. The mytharc of this show is a meat-grinder. And the thing about a Hero cycle is it is round, and returns to where it began, with the knowledge of the journey in hand. I have zen. I will trust Kripke. I'm also babbling and making no sense. *nods*
-Aw. Pam. And more guilt for the boys since they brought her there and she got killed defending their defenceless, idiot, non-ward-setting-and-door-locking selves.
-Hunh. Ear-whispering, more call-back to IMToD. Hm. We heard it, Dean didn't. Another thing for them to snipe over, maybe? Hopefully it doesn't get dragged out too long before Dean finds out what was said.
And of course:
-Aw. Kim Manners. The whole season. And the family dedication theme playing. Aw. Damn.
Spoiler and Theorizing Timeline
Lot of spoilers accumulated, not sure which episode they apply to yet. We'll see.
-Feb 5th Title of 4.15 Death takes a Holiday. Hm. Reapers go on strike? Or a skeleton in a Speedo surfing in California somewhere. *ponders*
-Mar 5th 4.15 is written by Sera Gamble. Ooooo. Eeek. And directed by Steve Boyum. (PUT THE FRIGGING SPOTLIGHTS BACK ON THE IMPALA, STEVE!!!! Sorry. Obsessed. *takes inventory of all the Impala's parts in case any others go missing...*) Anyway, that's an impressive team-up. We could be getting some high quality brain-screwage in this ep. *nods*
-Mar 10th Noted somewhere. Episode may contain stunt-casting. As long as it's done well, I don't mind. When the guest character takes over because they're being played by "someone", it kind of burns my buttons. But we'll see.
-General feel in the air of twitchiness in the fandom over developments relating to this episode. Pre-emptively activating the Zen of Kripke. Kripke has a plan.
Bring it!
Reaction to Supernatural 4.15 - "Death Takes a Holiday"
OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG!!! *FLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIL!!!!* For specific reasons to be covered below.
-Watched the previouslies on the first run through. Hi Pam! [Aw.] Hi Alastair! Hi Lilith! "We're good." Still calling bullshit on that one there, Dean. *pats*
-Interesting that the image juxtaposed with Sam's line about being smarter that Dean is one of him frolicking with the doctor up against her office window. *snerk*
-Guy who got shot not dying. Yep, like I thought in the spoiler timeline, the Reapers are on strike.
-"Could we get past this?" A hundred times. Ow. So. It's been about a week? Two? [Couple days? A few minutes in the car while traveling at lightspeed?]
-Religious bloggers? HA! That's a new one! Awesome name, too; flooredbythelord.com, which doesn't exist yet, but has been parked by godaddy.com if anyone's looking to start a fansite. :-D
-Even though all these people are gonna die when the Reapers get back from hiatus, it's really kind of cool that they're getting a last few days to re-connect with their families and stuff. They'll still die, but they've had a chance to spend time they wouldn't have otherwise had, and with a newfound appreciation for them. Still sucks for the families though.
-"Angels watching over me." Heh. Yeah. The connotations of that phrase has changed so much for Dean in particular since he was four.
-"Schlep souls." I believe the technical term for that job description is "psychopomp", Sam. FYI.
-Huggie Bear? What? *is confused*
-Dean doing research! \o/
-Skeevy faith healers! Yay, Faith callback (like the Reaper thing wasn't already, but whatever)
-HEEEE!!! Dean said the Reapers are on strike!!! Yay! I think like Dean does! ... wait, maybe that's not a good thing.
-JOURNAL!!! IT'S THE JOURNAL!!! HI JOURNAL!!!!
-POSTER BOYS OF THE UNNATURAL ORDER. I want a frigging t-shirt. Icon. Something. Coffee mug. I want it. *nods* Oh hey, wait.
Not great but it's a start. *nods* I love the phrase. The more I read it, the more "The Unnatural Order" sounds like a branch of some religious order. Like the Vatican's Investigative branch or something. :-)
-"Normal rules don't really apply to us." Heh. Ooo.... Sam's gone a very long way toward accepting some kind of fate thing there... and that's disturbing me. *eyes Sam*
-*giggles at Dean flailing around trying to come up for an explanation of their graveyard activities*
-Ooo! Alastair!! *waves* OOOO! Dean's face of extreme glowering at Alastair!!! Oooo!
-Heh. The tombstone Dean hits is for Smyth, but the way he lands, it looks like the grave of 'MYTH'. I'm finding that terribly amusing. There may be meta there. Also, what is it with Dean and getting thrown into tombstones? If this keeps up, and I may have said this before, the boys should stick to doing any messing around in graveyards they need to do in cemeteries with tombstones made of Nerf. *nods*
-Hee! Sam apparently learned Mountain Stance over the hiatus. That probably makes no sense to anyone but me, but I find it amusing.
-Sola-flexing? Is that what they're calling it these days? *pleasenotboinkingRuby*
-WAH! O.O SAMMY! Holy crap! that's some sudden improvement there. He's been practicing... something... *pleasepleasenotboinkingRuby*
-Hee. Ice pack and aspirin for a possible concussion. But no beer. That's for skull fractures. Go Winchester medical plan! \o/
-"I got no idea." Sam. Dude. You suck at lying. You need to start listening to
kroki_refur about these things. *nods*-YES! Thank you Dean!!! In addition to being Dean calling Sam on the lie and Dean defending his own intelligence (which, have we ever really had that before???) it's almost implicit that Dean's more concerned about the lying than what the lying's covering up. Like if Sam would just open up and talk to Dean about what's going on, they would, after a whole lot of epic shouting no doubt, figure out a way to deal with whatever's going on. It hurts to see that rift of deception happening, but... from a story and character-arc standpoint, I'm finding it fascinating.
-BOBBY! *smish* [OR NOT BOBBY! *smish*]
-Ooo, kidnapping Reapers. Do they have what's-her-face-from-Faith's "Ye Olde Book of Reaper-binding" in play? By my calculations, the boys either turned it over to Bobby or it's still rattling around in the Impala somewhere. *is glared at by a neglected Season 2 premiere AU bunny*
-"Bloodied death under a newborn sky" On the solstice??? So December 21st in 2008. Wait, what day is it? Where's the timeline got us to... last estimation was that "Sex and Violence" was January or February I think. Yay for the Supernatural timeline being a mobius strip again!!! \o/ [Okay, so last concrete time note we had was Great Pumpkin, being Halloween up to November 1st. Call Wishful Thinking the first week of November, I Know What You Did Last Summer and Heaven and Hell the next week-ish, Family Remains was around a month after Heaven and Hell, putting it about... Hm. Call it the Dec 6th weekend, with the family moving? Then, I guess Iowa Magic Week would be from the 7th through to the 13th, After School Special would clock in around... hm. The 15th? And so Sex and Violence lands somewhere in the 16th to 18th area, leaving Sam and Dean a day to bitch at each other about what was said under the influence of the siren, get the case and go to um, wherever the place was, need to catch the location card again, interview people, go out to try to summon a ghost, meet up with Alastair, get Pam, do the astral thing and get it all sorted out before the Solstice moon... Oh hey, maybe the Solstice moon is the first full moon after the solstice? Which would have beeeeeen.... the 10th or 11th of January, and giving them an extra couple of weeks to drive around, get places, call Bobby, grumble at each other and bypass every single holiday decoration that should have been visible. Or there's been a huge gap, and it's the summer solstice, and it's actually June. Yeah. And still freezing in graveyards at night. Except the 'newborn sky' would be the one in mid-winter at the traditional start of the year, not the one at the height of summer, so.... Sigh. *handwaves*]
-"We become ghosts." *pinches Dean's goony 'I-can't-quite-believe-I'm-suggesting-this' face cheeks* He's adorable when he's suggesting insane plans isn't he. He should do it more often.
-PAM!! Hi Pam! I was ambivalent about you for a bit but your continued awesomeness is making me forget all about any problems I had with you. Oh and *smacks Sam*. (And also very slightly *smacks writers* for going with the 'chippy blind person' thing again and making Sam look like an insensitive ass. Although he's changed a lot in 4 months alone with a demon, so he might be a total dick now.)
-ASTRAL PROJECTION!!!! \o/ Oooo! I want to dig out RPG manuals and cross-reference now! It's a fun plot device that isn't used nearly enough in shows I watch.
-"Tasseled leather pants and Ramones CD's" .... I don't even want to know.
-Hee. Didn't notice the lighting suddenly blue-shifting, did you Dean?
-Aw, what? No fun stuff playing with silver threads that connect you back to your body and can be severed so the mind-flayers can get you? Shucks. Although story-wise, since their return depends on Pam whispering in their ears... this doesn't bode well for Pam's chances of surviving the episode.
-Speaking of whispering, HA! Pam's a Sam girl! *grins*
-Hee! Love Dean being geeky and playing with ghost capabilities. It's a really brothery moment, in a weird sort of way.
-Hey... Benny's Market Italian Foods, in the background. I think I've been in that neighborhood, ages ago. I think one of my sisters used to live near there. They have a website!
-I like the kid (whose name I didn't catch dammit) playing Cole. He's really doing well. Aw. Cole's mom. Cole's really advanced in the ghost skills department for being new at this.
-The massive barrage of pop culture references is starting to make me a little nauseous. [What's with the giant pile of pop culture references anyway? The boys aren't talking meaningfully, so they communicate through pop culture references instead? Like those aliens on ST:TNG? "Darmok, and Jelaad, at Tenagra." Also, apparently, communication via pop culture references is contagious. *nods*]
-HEY!!! OOOO!!! Hi Tessa! Nice continuity! Also, yay, she survived the YED invasion. And of course Dean doesn't remember.
-Oh cool! Memory transfer. Oooooo! That's an interesting development... What happened during that time that might be arc-advancing for Dean to remember it now? *ponders*
-I love that the Reapers are neutrals. It's so appropriate.
-"So, you were the Reaper that was after Dean." Sammy; Boy-King of the Freaking Obvious.
-"Angel - Demon Dance-Off" Yoohoo,
teithiwr? I do believe that's a crack-fic prompt calling for your expertise? ;-D-Aw. Cole had an IMac. Aw.
-Sam. Lying again. "Whatever it takes." So, not the truth then. Oh Sam. He does look like it hurts to lie to the kid though.
- ...what? He missed her? Ohhh... He missed his chance at having a normal easy death. Yeah. I have this feeling that that was never in the cards for Dean. And maybe that if he'd given in to Tessa right away (which he never would have) something else would have happened to stop it. I know there are fans that don't like the concept of fate and think it negates free will, but I think differently and I don't know if I could explain it if I tried. Suffice it to say, I've been waiting for the "job to do/not finished yet" statement from Roy LeGrange to pay out ever since Faith aired, and it's paying out in ways I truly never expected. And I don't think I could be more thrilled with the possibilities.
-"I've done things, horrible things ['Hunted' callback or just similar phrasing?] and someone upstairs still decided to give me a second chance. Makes me feel.... I dunno." Oh Dean.
-Oh crap, massive demon cloud blitz! Damn that was cool!
-Heeeee! Cole giving them ghost lessons. He's a bit of a prodigy though, either that or ghost skills have a really freaky learning curve.
-HEE! Fight Club! Sam and Dean getting belted by a kid will never not be funny.
-New Jack City??? What's that? *googles, finds movie* ...hm. Nope. Still don't get it. *shrugs* Anyway, the glowing blue stuff is wards, dumbasses. Either to keep something subdued and inside the place, (like the, ooo, two epic-level supernatural creatures they've kidnapped?) or to keep other epic-level things from coming in and rescuing them. Or maybe some kind of scry barrier versus other Reapers, or angels? Hmf. Sam and Dean need to play some RPGs. In Nomine might hit a bit close to home though.
-Heheh. I would laugh so hard and soooo inappropriately if this guy they're beating up is just some poor schlub out coffin-shopping. I mean, hey, it's a funeral parlor, right? The guy's alive and human and so wouldn't see the Reapers on the floor or the glowing blue stuff. Maybe he just walked in off the street to find something tasteful in mahogany.
-Dean doing the ghost blip thing is so freaking cool. Once they're done dealing with this seal thing, they need to do more astral projecting so they get to play with the ghosty abilities more.
-Yay! It's a trap! Ooooo. Iron chains. Ouchie. Poor demon. Man, it sucks to be Alistair's minion. Speaking of which, hi Alastair! *waves*
-Oh, hey, the two Reapers on the floor make a kind of vague visual parallel to the two demons in Sin City. Sort of.
-SALT GUN!!! Oh yay! *glee* Okay, I'm massively geeking out on the inner workings of ghost tech. Also at Sam and Dean getting to see their job and tools from the other side of things. Also noting that astral projection in the SPN universe directly equates to being a ghost. Interesting....
-Also interesting that Alastair misses Hell and would rather be downstairs. Not a common demon attitude, is it?
-The new guy playing Alistair just had to emulate the last guy's voice. *facepalm*
-'Can't kill us.' 'Oh yeah?' OH HO HO YEAH!! He's going after their bodies!!! Logic! Tactics!!!! *flails*
-Okay. So, wait. They left their defenseless, empty bodies in a room (which is in a town with demons in it tearing around in smoke form) alone, guarded only by a recently blinded woman, remembered to close the drapes and didn't lock the door and set any salt lines or wards or anything???? Dudes. Massive fail. Seriously. What the hell were you thinking? *facepalm*
-He got it from a friend who doesn't really ride a pale horse. OMG, THE HORSEMEN!! *FLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIL* OH YES, OH PLEASE OH EEEEEEEEE!!!!! *flails more* Oh! Oh! *glee!* Oh yay! I missed about a minute of dialog, but I don't care because HORSEMEN!!!!! \o/ *flails and flails and flails* [I'm so frigging thrilled by even the chance they're bringing in the Four Horsemen that... I can't even describe the maneuver. After the second watch, I got up, kind of stood there for a second and then did this kind of flailing, rotating bunny-hop thing. With some silent squeeing in deference to it being close to 11pm and my neighbour's bedroom being opposite my living room wall. I could squee for years on the potential of that alone! *flails more*] ETA: Reference link - Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. *glee*
-The guy playing Alastair sounds a lot better in Latin or whatever that is. *nods*
-Sam and Dean mutual concentration on doing ghosty things together! \o/
-Yech, that shower is disgusting.
-Yay Pam! Defending the completely defenseless Sam and Dean! With mid-combat speed-latinating! Yay Pam! You are so very, very dead. *smishes sadly*
-No blood on the knife. Nice touch.
-Demon squishing! Oh, yeah. Sam's definitely been eating some kind of demonic Wheaties. ....aaaaand I've just really grossed myself out. :-P *pleasenotboinkingRubypleasenotboinkingRubypleasenotboinkingRuby*
-Alastair talking to Dean alone... This could be interesting. He's not pushing the Brando so much here either, which is good, especially if we're about to get a large wodge of exposition from him.
-O.O SMITE!!! YEAAAAH!!! SMITE THE BASTARD!! Sparing you the entire page of scrawled glee for that maneuver. Holy crap that was cool! HI CASTIEL!!! *smishes like whoa*
-Ooo... so the angels have the
-Yep. The glowing stuff was angel-proofing. *nods*
-Aw. Castiel was imitating Bobby because the boys don't argue with Bobby. Awwwwwwwwwwwwww. *flails a little and smishes everyone involved*
-Oooo... "You're different." Ooo. Hm. This could be awesome, or not awesome. Have to see how it plays out. I'm thinking awesome. In any case, *gleeeeeeeeee*
-Aw. Dean talking to Cole about death. Aw. Worse than any unknown afterlife for Dean? Is the idea of still being around when your family's gone. Oh Deeeeeeean.
-Oh wow. Reapers are like portals??? They hug you into the afterlife? Whoa. That's... kinda nifty.
-Lies and humans lying to themselves to subdue their fears. Naw, that's not applicable to Sam and Dean's current impasse at all.
-"Stop lying to yourself/Something nasty down the road." Well, yeah. Stopping the apocalypse isn't going to be sunshine and puppies. It's going to be hard, and bloody, and painful on many, many levels. Doesn't mean that it'll stay that way, and doesn't mean that there's no hope. There's always hope, even though every time these guys turn around, something's trying to crush any hope they might have. The mytharc of this show is a meat-grinder. And the thing about a Hero cycle is it is round, and returns to where it began, with the knowledge of the journey in hand. I have zen. I will trust Kripke. I'm also babbling and making no sense. *nods*
-Aw. Pam. And more guilt for the boys since they brought her there and she got killed defending their defenceless, idiot, non-ward-setting-and-door-locking selves.
-Hunh. Ear-whispering, more call-back to IMToD. Hm. We heard it, Dean didn't. Another thing for them to snipe over, maybe? Hopefully it doesn't get dragged out too long before Dean finds out what was said.
And of course:
-Aw. Kim Manners. The whole season. And the family dedication theme playing. Aw. Damn.
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I LOVE this. I want an icon. (And The Unannatural Order should be another icon obviously)
Dean's face of extreme glowering at Alastair!!! Oooo!
I KNOW! I can't wait for that screencap.
What happened during that time that might be arc-advancing for Dean to remember it now? *ponders*
Wow, you are SO good. I love it.
And crap, I have to go. I will return shortly and finish this.
Yay! Show is BACK!
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I think what Tessa said to Dean and the end bothered me so much because I took it as her telling him he wasn't going to Heaven, he was stuck doing whatever the angels wanted and then he was going to the pit anyway. Have we had any canon about if Dean is still locked into his deal? I have been reading so much fic lately I almost thought canon removed his deal and not some awesome author. LOL
I am SO PISSED about Pam. It was SO unnecessary to kill her off. I agree with
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Really? I didn't read it that way at all. I can't quite put how I read that conversation into words yet (needs moar brain) but... I think Dean's view that the angels should be helping them out, and why doesn't God do something that pops up once in a while is what's being challenged there, obliquely and not in so many words. That yes, Castiel dragged him out of Hell, but it wasn't for tea parties.
However, I think you may have a point in that Dean may have taken it that way. But I don't think that's the intnded implication. Reapers in this seem to be being played as true neutral, just doing their jobs and not leaning to one side or another, and as a result, off-limits to both sides (which would explain the outrage and 'you can't do this!' at YED's takeover in 2.01). I found it odd that she'd try to warn him at all, since that seems to be a non-neutral action. However, it may have been a... kind of balancing action, since Alastair brought them into the fray so to speak.
I really don't know. There is so much potential for story, character and myth-arc roaming loose in the series this season with the mythological architechture of the 'verse coming to light, it almost feels like season one again for raw, untapped potential.
In short, *flails more again* *nods seriously*
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I am SO PISSED about Pam. It was SO unnecessary to kill her off.
The lack of calling for any kind of medical assistance, and the lack of first-aid type actions really did not do service to the end of this episode, or any of the characters. I didn't really get overly attached to Pam, and I saw her death coming from light-years away, and I think I understand why they did it now and like this, and I don't want to think about the ramifications of that for a moment because I'm in denial, but anyway. One thing that bugs me is the lack of medical response to situations. They could have called the ambulance and had it on the way and just not fast enough. They could have had them call 911 and gotten a 'system overloaded' due to everyone who'd taken a lethat injury in the past several days suddenly bleeding or dropping dead (oh, thought to chase for later), still had her die but at least been shown to have made the effort. First aid would have ramped up the tension too, They could have been trying to compress and such like and keep her from moving, but it not do any good.
I'm sorry to say, but I figured Pam would die before the end of the season as soon as she showed up. Not because she's female, just because... well. I have a thought I'm avoiding having about the season end right now. There's a scary progression going on in certain varieties of death this season, and I think the culmination at the end of the season is going to tear everyone's hearts out.
No spoilers. Just theory and knowledge of hero-cycle structures. And I'm going to stop babbling there before I get more incoherent and vague about it all.
(I think I'm going to collect some of the comment meta into a new post.)
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Heh, I'll take that as a compliment, thanks :-)
Actually, I'll paste an edited summary of one non-spec bit from the post I made because it's an observation about 4.15 that directly relates to Pam's death and the lack of medical assistance.
The rest wanders off into spec and analysis. It still sucks, and there should have either been more of an explainer or some kind of effort from the boys regardless, but it makes more sense to me now. :-/
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Hee. I'm so glad you're using the icon. :-)
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I scanned the first 10 pages of the TWoP reaction thread to this episode and no one mentioned your theory. I want to scan the next 10 pages just out of curiousity and then pimp your geniusness at the end. (But it takes forever to get through all the discussion!) Maybe later when I have another 2 hours to kill. ;)
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I LOVE this. I want an icon.
*ponders...*
Wow, you are SO good. I love it.
The more I think about what those memories are going to add to the situation, the more I flail. EEE!
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*grins*
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Love, Robin
Pale horses
(Anonymous) 2009-03-13 09:35 pm (UTC)(link)Re: Pale horses
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Death, (capital 'D' Death, not just a random Reaper) the Pale Rider on the Pale horse is traditionally one of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.
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Huggy Bears
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You're writing fic with this new element now, right??? :-D
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What's stunt-casting?
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*glee*
What's stunt-casting?
Stunt-casting is when there's an actor playing a guest-starring role who is 'known' for other roles and is in the show partly or wholly to try to cross-pollinate the audience for the show with people who tune in specifically because of the actor. Examples from Supernatural include Linda Blair, (from The Exorcist, way back) who played Diana Ballard in Usual Suspects, and Tricia Helfer (plays a big role on Battlestar Galactica). who played Molly in Roadkill.
I'm guessing either I didn't recognize the actor that was being referred to as the stunt-cast, or the post I saw that mentioned it was misusung the term and was referring to the return of Pam and Tessa.
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Thank you!
Love, Robin
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(Anonymous) 2009-03-14 01:55 am (UTC)(link)The smiting..mmmm looove the smiting. Oh and I just want to say--you made my crappy week, I love you:)
Hugs
Sharon
And using wallpaper with your permission, of course
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Not just Pratchett (because I really can't see Pratchett's Death being a friend of Alastair) but epic mythology and stuff! *flails*
And I have a new wallpaper--because, well, Unnatural Order!
Hee! It's not that great, but I'm glad you like it.
The smiting..mmmm looove the smiting
Oh totally! I was kind of steeling myself for a bunch of Marlon Brando accented exposition when WHAMMO! I really did cheer and flail through the commercial break. *glee*
Oh and I just want to say--you made my crappy week, I love you:)
Aw. Glad to have cheered you up. :-)
And using wallpaper with your permission, of course
No need for permission for that one as far as I'm concerned. :-)
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THE JOURNAL Was it a journal? I was kinda hoping it might be a copy of the archaic Revelation (That's one, boys, just one.) that they could start working off of. :(
The Rule Book debate I think either they're in/ playing by another rule book, or they're the exception that proves the rule . . .Which is still a little doom-and-gloom-y, isn't it?
\0/ YOU CAUGHT THE (S)MYTH, TOO!! I'm eagerly awaiting the crack & meta to come. ::dances:: :D (On another note, they should start going to cemeteries with modern-day FLAT tombstones. ;) )
Bobby I wonder if Sam - being the only one who talked to "Bobby," and having only met Cas twice - mistook Cas for Bobby, and Cas just didn't bother to correct him. Because otherwise it's raising a red flag on my Supernatural trust issues.
Solstice & timeline ::blinks:: How the Hell did I suddenly decide that solstice=new moon?!? ::mutters:: I is an annoyed idjit. :(
Salt Precautions That really bugged me,too, and then the No, DUH! light hit me: If they HAD salted, Sam&Dean wouldn't've been able to leave/come back. Because salt blocks spirits as well as demons. (So why didn't the demon just jump Pam so he could kill the Boys? O.O DUMB DEMON Thank God)
*Sam's freaked-out expression - and inability to promptly (lie)answer Dean - makes me hope this is the start of an up-swing where he'll stop and reevaluate his assumptions.
*Do you think Dean remembers this Out-of-Body outing, since the separation was a conscious choice, or that he's forgotten on waking again? I'm not sure he knew who "Tessa" was. And Sam - who definitely does remember - will probably harass him about it - or at least make references - and Dean will (honestly) protest ignorance, only Sam won't believe him . . .Saving this Seal may've been the last ingredient to Winchester implosion.
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Steve Boyum had the spotlights removed during the filming of "Dream a Little Dream" because they were in the way of a camera angle, and they were never put back on. There's a mini-campaign to get them brought back that happened last summer hiatus sort of over at
Was it a journal?
Yep, it was John's Journal. It has a new, lighter cover. I think the last time it showed up was in 4.03 with Dean in the past.
On another note, they should start going to cemeteries with modern-day FLAT tombstones. ;)
True! :-)
I wonder if Sam - being the only one who talked to "Bobby," and having only met Cas twice - mistook Cas for Bobby, and Cas just didn't bother to correct him. Because otherwise it's raising a red flag on my Supernatural trust issues.
I think that would be a handy dodge for getting around the 'angels don't lie' problem, and it was likely something like that.
Because salt blocks spirits as well as demons.
Ah! Good point, since in the show 'verse astral projection and ghosts work on the same rules. They could have locked the door and set some devil's traps at the entrances though.
(So why didn't the demon just jump Pam so he could kill the Boys? O.O DUMB DEMON Thank God)
Strictly to serve the needs of the plot. Or maybe he wanted to play. Demons. *shrug*
Sam's freaked-out expression - and inability to promptly (lie)answer Dean - makes me hope this is the start of an up-swing where he'll stop and reevaluate his assumptions.
Sam has been needing to cash a reality cheque about his situation for a while now, and while I don;t know if this is going to be sufficient to push him into that self-examination, it's certainly a note of doubt for further doubts to accrete around.
Do you think Dean remembers this Out-of-Body outing, since the separation was a conscious choice, or that he's forgotten on waking again? I'm not sure he knew who "Tessa" was. And Sam - who definitely does remember - will probably harass him about it - or at least make references - and Dean will (honestly) protest ignorance, only Sam won't believe him . . .Saving this Seal may've been the last ingredient to Winchester implosion.
I think this being a concious act, they'll remember what happened, since there's no traumatic shock involved. Dean didn't recognize Tessa at first, but I think now that she downloaded his near-death experience memories to him, he'll remember what happened while he was in the coma in 2.01. All Sam really knows about what happened there was what he could see; Dean in a coma, the conversation with the talking board, and that a Reaper was after Dean. He wouldn't have seen anything Dean was experiencing then.
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Well, considering that John merely had a scratch or two and a broken arm after getting practically hit by a truck... maybe the name 'Winchester' is really a spell that makes them very, very durable?
I love reading your episode reactions. Don't have the presence of mind to really comment, but more often than not, you make me want to just keysmash and go "Yes! This is what I meant!"
Thank you. :)
*HUGS*
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Could very well be...
I love reading your episode reactions. Don't have the presence of mind to really comment, but more often than not, you make me want to just keysmash and go "Yes! This is what I meant!"
*blush* Aw, thank you! :-D
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So much love. Why did Pam have to die? WHYYYYY?
"SMITE!!! YEAAAAH!!! SMITE THE BASTARD!! Sparing you the entire page of scrawled glee for that maneuver. Holy crap that was cool! HI CASTIEL!!! *smishes like whoa*"
Dude. Alistair so got smote. Smoted? Smitten? *GLEE!*
"Aw. Pam. And more guilt for the boys since they brought her there and she got killed defending their defenceless, idiot, non-ward-setting-and-door-locking selves."
GAHHH!!! The guilt! Kill me now!
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*snerk* Smitten. Hee!
GAHHH!!! The guilt! Kill me now!
OMG I know! It's not like they needed more guilt.