caffienekitty | Supernatural Speculation Post 7.09

I'm thinking.... well, it's a hunch, but I'm thinking the Leviathans aren't just going to settle for chowing down on pacified humans or simply rampaging over Earth. I'm getting a 'staging ground' feeling from all this.

Really, they've pretty much got Earth right now if they keep on they way they have, taking over strategic humans and pacifying (and at the sae time arming, which is weird) the rest, almost entirely unopposed. If they haven't infiltrated other continents political systems and social power structures by now, they're fools. In this week's episode they made a point of including someone asking Dick if he was running for office. He doesn't need to. He just needs to get close enough to whoever does win to snag some loose hair and he can set up one of the Leviathan-flunkies as a figurehead and be puppet-master. Same goes for everyone he's already met. That photo montage of notable Photoshopping? Any one of those people could now be taken over by a Leviathan.

What occurs to me is the Leviathans got a lot of info on the Winchesters from being in Castiel... what other info did they get from him on other topics? (Maybe they've still got him alive and are getting every shred of information out of him they can. Maybe they're keeping him alive to use as a Trojan Horse.)

I think it was mentioned earlier that Purgatory was started up to lock the Leviathans away. They've got to have a pretty big grudge against Heaven for that.

sssshup gave a run-down of the contents of the maps and diagrams Bobby was looking at in a comment on the reaction post. The maps showing a lot of major energy centers, oil, gas, nuclear, etc. What I'm thinking is maybe they're getting control of the sources of energy to open a big gate into Heaven to take it over or ravage it while it's politically destabilised. Maybe Bobby looked shocked because he recognised a pattern in the maps amounting to a continent-wide sigil of some kind. Maybe a gate that would rip open the planet. (Or not, I doubt planet-cracking is in the show's budget and this isn't Doctor Who.)

Still, if Earth is the Leviathans' only goal here, they've pretty much got it right now, which is why I'm thinking there's a larger goal of some kind.

Anyway, a few random thoughts, likely wrong. Posted for later pointing and laughing purposes.

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Scarily plausible, and given your track record of catching things at the beginning of episodes and correctly predicting what's going to happen (Bobby's hat!) I am now officially nervous.

Thanks a lot.

Well, if it helps, I really doubt they can blow up the planet on the CW's budget. Also, I have been very wrong before, so my track record isn't all that scary. XD

Also, if the Leviathans actually get to Heaven, Ash and the Heavenly Roadhouse crew will kick the crap out of them. And Bobby won't be with them because he's going to be fine, but maybe he can pass along some intel when he's in that coma.

I concur with something grand in the works. They already have strings connecting everything at this point, so what else could they imagine?

Plus if they've been organized at all while lurking in the bottom of Purgatory they'll have been working on plans and strategies the whole time, lines of communication, chains of command, etc. They will not be screwing around.

Exactly! Their playbook is so ancient it is written in a language no one has ever seen or heard, which makes it that much easier to snow the rest of us;)

Wow, I am rambling and should go to sleep or something..lol

Sleep doesn't seem to cure my rambling even when I can get it. I don't mind your rambling at all, it's rather poetic. :-)

True, I suspect this is why I get the strange looks sometimes:P I am glad that you are so forgiving then;)

No forgiveness required, it's sheer appreciation. *smishes you*

See, now I am doing that thing with the red face...lol Back at you:)

Hugs

*hugs* :-)

I think they've got the US. Earth will be a bit trickier.

Not much. Just a matter of getting to people in key areas of control and taking them over, and Dick is a notable enough personality to get invited to the sort of parties that would give them access to those people. All they need is DNA to replicate a person. If they want the Earth, they could pretty much have it at this point. It's just a matter of whether that suits their long term goals.

I'm still perplexed about the whole thing. If you want to give them *human* qualities - I'd agree that they'd want to get even with the one(s) who locked 'em up. Then, a nice comfy setup, including lots of tasty food, which would argue against destroying the planet. I always figure a Big Bad enjoys a worthy adversary - otherwise, life gets *really* boring - but the writers have set this situation up as being really unbalanced, with humans having no chance to beat them, so it feels to me like the boys are going to have to find some big guns to help them out, towards the end of the season. So...angels? Ancient gods?

Show does amuse me with its Leviathans = Republicans parallels.

It would be great to have a truly alien monster with non-human goals and qualities, and I agree the Winchesters are ridiculously out-gunned at this point and need to reboot their own normal hunting strategies to counter the Leviathans.

Like I said, it's just a thought.

Oooh like both the idea of them keeping Castiel alive (Please? *bats eyelashes at Sera Gamble*) and them making some kind of play for Heaven... That would be...expensive, budget-wise!

Not really. One good climactic burst of CGI for the gate, a la end of season 2 in Wyoming, and then Heaven is other people's memories, so it's just locations again.

As far as battles go, God!Cas took out a whole lot of angels already in the season opener and they were already down due to the Apocalypse war with the demons and assorted other things, there might not even be a massed battle. Depending on the allegiances and motivations of the remaining angels, some might chose to go to Earth or run away rather than fight.

In the end, they could boil the conquest of Heaven down to Dick Roman in an intense verbal confrontation with Joshua in the garden, with background sound effects and some quick lighting changes as things happen outside the garden. With of course the Winchesters or whoever showing up to save the day at an appropriately dramatic juncture.

Isn't their real enemy God, not the angels and God's not in Heaven anymore. Do you think they're trying to hunt him down, or maybe draw him out by attacking Heaven? Also what exactly do you think our relationshp is to them?-- other than food. Do you think they just consume our bodies, or do they consume or somehow acquire our souls as well? Since apparently souls are individual little "nuclear reactors" do you think they might be able to tap into that power too?

Also the file with the documents were in was titled THE BOX VERSION 1.0--mean anything to you? Wonder how Bobby figured the plan out? He does say "Now I know what you're up to". Hope he's able to communicate it to the boys, got to come outta that coma--he deserves that happy ending with Sheriff Jodie.

Their beef is against God, yeah, but if they can't get at God or get God's attention, they can try to usurp the throne. That's what they were initially trying to do with Castiel, that or use him to get into a position to destroy it all, since God threw them away and started over, according to show lore from Death, stomping on all God's new toys would probably be just as cathartic..

I doubt they consume souls but I have no idea. It would make them very much scarier, but they seem to be very rooted in the physical. That 'eat yourself' thing is intriguing.

We'll see how things develop and we'll see what happens with Bobby next week.

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